Somewhere, somewhen, someone told me the Prince of Wales feathers and the fleur-de-lis were the same thing. They aren’t, but I am exploring the idea to look for any connections.
I wonder if anyone else has ever been confused by the similarity of these two heraldic symbols?
This blog post has been mulled over for months. I first thought of it during the glorious early days of the 2011 Rugby World Cup, when the Wales team were doing so well down in New Zealand.
Everyone was wearing red shirts with the WRU logo and one day on the bus I saw a young woman in a maroon shirt with what looked like the three feathers. Then I realised it was a dainty fleur-de-lis. Did she think she was paying a very subtle tribute to the team?
Then Wales lost the semi-final after our captain was controversially sent off, the nation shrieked a collective “NOOOOOOOOOOO!” and suddenly my heart wasn’t in talking about the Prince of Wales feathers any more.
But as time went on I was seeing the fleur-de-lis and three feathers everywhere. Here’s how it went…

The Prince of Wales feathers diamond brooch once belonging to the Duchess of Windsor and then Elizabeth Taylor...
There was a wonderful diamond version of the Prince of Wales feathers in this brooch from Elizabeth Taylor’s jewels, up for auction. The piece formerly belonged to the Duchess of Windsor and was made around 1935. It sold for $1,314,500 (£841,280) in December 2011.

And here's a posh Edwardian fleur-de-lis brooch I found online - click on the picture to find the original
One day as I looked through the kitchen window, I saw the neighbour’s cat leap into the air to catch a magpie. The bird was only winged (or tailed, actually) – but what did I find when I rushed out to chase the cat off? Precisely THREE feathers on the ground…
There is currently an exhibition at the British Library called Royal Manuscripts: The Genius of Illumination and this has featured in the quality weekend newspaper magazines for months.
One of the featured works is covered with the fleur-de-lis pattern…

Robert of Anjou - with fleur-de-lis wallpaper - featured in a 14th century manuscript at the British Library
Then a Manufactum catalogue arrived. There was a glass decorated with a fleur-de-lis design…

Sweets saleswoman Christine Gillan - there's a fleur-de-lis on that bottle of very green 'Soor Plooms' in front of her...
Then there was this Gibb fleur-de-lis label featured on a bottle of “Soor Ploom” sweeties in a Scottish sweet shop in a feature in the Observer magazine…
The fleur-de-lis is surprisingly ubiquitous. It has a long history – apparently it was used in some form by the earliest civilisations but later became very much associated with France, starting with the Capetian kings of the 12th century.
Have a look on Wikipedia for some fascinating history. Among other things, it quotes Michel Pastoureau: “It is an essentially graphic theme found on Mesopotamian cylinders, Egyptian bas-reliefs, Mycenean pottery, Sassanid textiles, Gaulish and Mameluk coins, Indonesian clothes, Japanese emblems, and Dogon totems…”

The fleur-de-lis crossed the Atlantic with the French and appears in the flag of Quebec in Canada - in fact the flag is known as the fleurdelisé
Fleur-de-lis literally means “flower of the lily” although it is a stylised
Iris pseudacorus. There is an interesting old theory on Wikipedia that the iris was chosen by the early French or Franks because the flower was (and still is) plentiful around the River Luts in the Netherlands, near which they lived before moving over to create France.
Coincidentally (I know, I know, you only find connections when you are looking for them) the latest copy of The Garden (the RHS magazine) that came through my letterbox featured irises…
The fleur-de-lis is also the emblem of the Scout movement, founded by Robert Baden-Powell. Incidentally, he founded the movement on Brownsea Island in Poole Harbour, Dorset, one of my favourite places.
Why the fleur-de-lis for the Scouts? Apparently the symbol often represented compass North on maps…
But back to the three feathers…
We were always taught at school that the Prince of Wales feathers come from Edward, the Black Prince, who took the helmet lined with ostrich feathers from the blind but brave John I of Bohemia, killed in the Battle of Crécy in 1346.
As well as the feathers, the prince took the German motto “Ich dien”, meaning “I serve”, which sounds a bit like the Welsh “Eich dyn”, meaning “your man”, which would perhaps have won friends for the young prince among the Welsh archers who probably won the battle for the English.
Alternatively, and boringly, Edward may just have inherited the symbol from one of his parents…
The three feathers, silver on black, were used as Edward’s jousting badge, rather than his “proper” coat of arms (which featured the fleur-de-lis, by the way). It is still used (not for jousting) by the Prince of Wales today.
Strangely, the three feathers also have a Polish connection, set atop many heraldic achievements. There’s more on this link, which says: “Our knowledge of the crests is seriously jeopardised because in the 16th century many then known original crests were replaced by lazy printers of the Paprocki and later the Okolski armorials with a standard form of ostrich and peacock feathers. Since then, almost one in every four heraldic achievements has some form of feathers included in its crest.”

A couple of Polish heraldic achievements with three-feather crests by Tadeusz Gajl - for Pokora and Klamry families
Are there connections between the fleur-de-lis and Wales? Well there’s a village called Fleur-de-lis in Rhymney Valley, not too far from Cardiff. I do wonder why it was called that. I thought perhaps it was from a coal mine of the same name, but haven’t been able to find out. If not, why on earth was it given a French name?
Incidentally, celebrity politician Neil Hamilton was born in Fleur-de-Lis.
Then there was the famous and sad North Wales poet Hedd Wyn, killed in World War I. He used the pseudonym Fleur de Lys when he won the Chair (posthumously) at the National Eisteddfod in 1917, which became known as “the Eisteddfod of the Black Chair”.
If you look closely at the official Prince of Wales feathers, you may notice something – the crown at the bottom features the fleur-de-lis. So they come together at last…
You know what? I think the last straw for my obsession was the evening when I neared home and out of the darkness loomed a carpet-layer’s van. And what did it say on the side? Floor-de-Lee! It’s true – here’s his website…
Now stay alert and see how many examples of these heraldic symbols YOU can spot!
Wonderful, wonderful, wonderful! I’ve always been intrigued by this symbol. Fantastic post and so well researched. Thanks, as always.
Gosh, thanks! The more I looked into it, the more there was to find, and I’ve only scraped the surface, but hopefully the links will lead others to explore more 🙂
Best wishes for Christmas and the New Year…
What a fascinating story,you have certainly researched this subject well. Until moving to Crete I lived on the Welsh borders,I have many friends there who I shall pass this lovely post to.
Thank you Rita, I guess it’s only in Wales we see the three feathers everywhere!
Merry Christmas in Crete 🙂
Stylised iris is such an appealing shape. I thought there was a connection to the Hugenots?
Well, there you go – I didn’t know that but yes, if you Google Huguenot and fleur-de-lis, this page comes up, which shows the Huguenot cross featuring four fleurs-de-lis…
We learn something new every day 🙂
Who would have ever considered the depth of the history regarding fleur de lis ? It has always denoted religion and royalty,and much of the symbolism gravitated to Catholicism. Parts of Canada and North America were settled by French explorers and thus the symbol has been held with high regards with all things deluxe.I thoroughly enjoyed your article and as usual you never leave a stone unturned..thank you for sharing…weedbychoice
Thank you for your kind words – and I’m sure there are MANY stones I have left unturned!
Best wishes, as always 🙂
Any idea about the heraldry of the umbrella above feathers, on this provincial halfpenny from circa 1790? I believe the reserve depicts George, Prince of Wales, later King George IV. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/290704931371
I see that e-Bay item has now sold, so I am putting the information here in case the link fails.
It is an interesting copper Conder token from 1790. On the obverse it has a head and the words “London & Middlesex Halfpenny” and on the reverse a Prince of Wales feathers with an umbrella above, and the words “John Bebbington for change no fraud”.
Here’s the coin. It sold on eBay for $13.12 (£8.15) in May 2012.
Although these tokens didn’t usually have the king’s head on, I suppose this may be George III, who had been king since 1760 and went on until 1820.
Or as you say, was it the Prince of Wales, Prince George, later George IV? I suppose he would be in the public eye around that time as in 1788 he almost took over as Prince Regent when King George was unwell. In the end he wasn’t made Prince Regent until 1811.
Who knows? An interesting time in history anyway, and amazing that people were able to mint their own coins…
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I think to put it simply, the French used the Fleur-di-lis as a symbol of royalty.. And the English believing they had rights to the French crown used to incorporate it into their banners and coats of arms just to say ‘England, by right, owns France’ or whatever. For it to show up in the Prince of Wales feathers, personally I think, this just emphasised the ties from Wales to England, through their joint right to the French crown.. If that confuses you, here’s the link to where I found this out: https://curio.artpro.net.au/exhibit/386/stories?from_collection=6&page=1
Very interesting….. 🙂
I took a look at that link, Very interesting.
I suppose everything in our history is very interlinked. And of course our royalty were French before they became English and many of them ruled without even speaking Anglo Saxon.
All the best 🙂
I was under the impression they were the same. In some cases , visually, they are. I have the same fascination for the symbol. My future art work will be based around this symbol….the theme being the potency of an emblem, icon or symbol as in Flags, Heraldic Devices and Logos.Being of an age whereby I collected coins. medals, stamps etc as a child, I am revisiting the thrill of these images etc that once excited me …..I remember collecting the chewing gum cards Flags of the World…Brazil was my favourite! Of course it isn’t just the symbol/emblem but also the power of colour combinations. The impact of a symbol/colour is powerful sometimes having extremely sinister ideology underpinning it. So pleased to have found someone who has discovered and researched the Fleur de Lis and Three Feathers….adds impetus to my work….
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fouad_Twal#/media/File:Coat_of_arms_of_Fouad_Twal.svg
CAN YOU SEE THE “FLEURS DE LYS” IN HIS COAT OF ARMS????
Fouad Twal (Arabic: البطريرك فؤاد طوال) (born 23 October 1940 in Madaba, Jordan[1]) is the Latin Patriarch of Jerusalem since June 2008. He is also the Grand Prior of the Equestrian Order of the Holy Sepulchre of Jerusalem and serves as the President for the Assembly of Catholic Ordinaries of the Holy Land.
President of the Conference of Latin Bishops of the Arab Regions
President of the Assembly of Catholic Ordinaries of the Holy Land
Grand Prior of the Knights of the Equestrian Order of the Holy Sepulchre
https://watch.pair.com/plantard-crest.html
FLEUR DE LYS
The fleur de lys in the Plantard crest is a also phallic symbol. According to Margaret Starbird’s esoteric book, The Woman with the Alabaster Jar: Mary Magdalene and the Holy Grail, the fleur de lys is a masculine symbol of the covenant of circumcision. Typical of occultists, for whom the Bible is a closed book, verses are wrested to their own destruction.
“The royal emblem of the Merovingian king Clovis was the fleur-de-lis (the iris)…a masculine symbol. In fact, it is a graphic image of the covenant of circumcision… This three-pronged ‘lily’ is an ancient symbol for Israel: the capitals of the two phallic pillars of Solomon’s Temple, Jachin and Boaz, were carved with ‘lily work’ (I Kings 7:22).” (936:62)
As a symbol of the Merovingian bloodline, the fleur de lys specifically represents the French branch of this genealogical tree. Holy Blood, Holy Grail contains an illustration which explains the connection of the fleur de lys with French Merovingian royalty.
“‘Legend of the Fleur-de-lys.’ A fifteenth century illumination of the legend of the divine origins of the fleur-de-lys, symbol of the French royal line. Clovis I is shown receiving a banner from his queen, Clotilde.” (31:Fig.35)
Kenneth Grant includes among Diana’s sacred animals the bear, the bee and the crab, which all point to the sign of Cancer. The bee is also a symbol of Set or Satan. There are eleven bees on the arch of the Plantard crest; eleven, of course, is an occult number.
“”In the Typhonian Tradition the Bear is the constellation of Ursa Major. The stars must be aligned in a specific way in order for Set [Satan] to be properly invoked. To the Priory of Sion (the secret, occult organization dedicated to preserving the Merovingian Bloodline), the Bear was an animal of the Goddess Diana. According to Lynn Picknett and Clive Prince, the authors of The Templar Revelation, ‘ …the Merovingian kings, from their founder Merovee to Clovis (who converted to Christianity in 496) were ‘pagan kings of the cult of Diana’.’ Picknet and Prince got this information from the Dossiers Secrets of the Priory of Sion. The bees, which are a recurring symbol of the Merovingians are, in the Typhonian Tradition, represented frequently as the humming or buzzing sound that occurs before the appearance of the Great Old Ones or ‘beings’ proper to this tradition. Grant writes ‘The bee, beetle, or crab, is therefore the link between the earliest manifestation of the Typhonion current and its final phases.’ Also; ‘217 is the key number of [Crowley’s] Book of the Law. 217 is also the number of DBVRH, meaning ‘a bee’ which is the specific symbol of Sekhet, whose name means ‘a bee.’ Sekhet is another aspect of the god Set. There are eleven bees because eleven is the number of Magick and of the sephirah on the Tree of Life, called Daath, which is the ‘Gateway’ to the backside of the Tree and to the Gods… As for the fleur de lys, in the Typhonian Tradition it represents the ‘kingly man’ that Crowley extols and the inheritor of the Grail Bloodline. In The Vision and the Voice, Crowley is ‘conversing’ with his Holy Guardian Angel Aiwas, who says: ‘For I am not appointed to guard thee, but we are of the blood royal, the guardians of the Treasure-house of Wisdom.’ The ‘blood royal,’ the Sangraal of the Holy Grail.” – 571
Further Reading:
http://www.bilderberg.org/royal.htm
–> BANKING PIRATES OF LONDON CITY >(Free E-Book you can download)
–> GLOBAL ECOLOGICAL TYRANNY UNDER THE PRINCE OF WALES
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Thanks for all that! It’s a lot to digest but I will try…
Best wishes 🙂
I need some help. I only need to know if there has ever been murders in Fleur-de-Lis. You see I live in Fleur-De-Lis in Wales and I’d love to know if there has been any murders here that could be major or not so major. Any would help, thank you and I hope anyone could be able to reply fast 🙂
I have no idea. I know of people murdered abroad who came from Fleur-de-lis, and a murder in Fleur-de-Lys in Canada, but that’s about it.
Why do you ask?
Best wishes 🙂
It only just occurred to me this minute… I am doing my fairy oracle card reading for the day, and as I look closer into the card I pulled from the deck, bam! The fluer de lis in the background! It is pictured as a hedge maze in gold! on a bluish ground! along a winding river!
I then ponder on how it looks like the 3 feathers! And wondered if there was any connection…
Thank you for this information, it made my day 😉
Am looking forward to finding out and reading more 😀
I’m pleased the post is still useful after all this time 🙂