My Hayes fishermen ancestors lived in small houses like these on the edge of Baiter when they became more prosperous in the late 19th century...
My HAYES ancestors lived in the 19th century in the Baiter area of Poole (according to Census records). In those days this was the area where fishermen and their families lived, sometimes in rather crowded tenements.
Today it’s a leisure area beside Poole Harbour, with a big car park at its heart. I took these pictures in summer 2009.
Baiter, Poole, Dorset...
Baiter, Poole, Dorset...
Baiter, Poole, Dorset... looking across Poole Harbour to Brownsea Island
Baiter, Poole, Dorset...
Poole, Baiter, Dorset... looking back towards the port
Baiter, Poole, Dorset...
Baiter, Poole, Dorset... looking back towards the port
Baiter, Poole, Dorset... looking back towards the port
Baiter, Poole, Dorset... looking across to the rich area of Sandbanks
Baiter, Poole, Dorset...
Baiter, Poole, Dorset... ruin of a quarantine unit (I think) - certainly something to do with 19th century poverty or disease but I didn't write down what it said on the plaque...
Baiter, Poole, Dorset...
Baiter, Poole, Dorset...
Baiter, Poole, Dorset... mallow flowering among wild barley on the shore
Baiter, Poole, Dorset...
Baiter, Poole, Dorset... old fishermen's houses
More old fishermen's houses on the edge of Baiter, Poole, Dorset...
Modern housing in Baiter, Poole, Dorset...
The Lifeboat Museum between the Quay and Baiter in Poole - the town is the home of the RNLI...
While my HAYES ancestors lived in Baiter, my GILES forebears lived in Longfleet in the centre of Poole. They were gardeners, then bakers, then general factory workers. They lived in Denmark Road, of which I do not yet have pictures, and later in Green Road…
Green Road, Poole, where some of my Giles ancestors lived...
Green Road, Poole...
Green Road, Poole...
Hello. My Name is Geoffrey Cartridge. I live in Adelaide and migrated here with my parents in Dec 1964. I was born in Poole Hospital in ’49 and lived mostly in Corfe Mullen. I went to QEGS Wimborne until ’64.
My father was Albert Cartridge, Grandfather was Edward Albert Cartridge aka “Princer”, and my great grandfather was Richard Hart Cartridge who lived in the family home “Conrad Cottage” , (the white cottage on the corner at Baiter, opp the Lifeboat House). I think this was two doors away from the Hayes family. My dad, who died aged 89 years old January 2010 often spoke fondly of the Hayes family, mentioning in particular Charlie Hayes. There were strong family/social/occupational connections esp with fishing. Likewise there were strong family connections with the Lifeboat and I believe the Hayes family also were lifeboat volunteers.
Our family (Cartridge) is traceable reliably to 1540 in Poole, owning a variety of properties and tenants in many parts of Old Poole. However, despite the long time period I do not think that we are formally or officially related. But as my dad said, and there is an element of truth in it, “Back in those days no one knew whose was whose child and they used to share them around at Christmas.”
Dad was technically born in Poole Pottery, a recessed part of the pottery wall in Gray’s Yard. There were three 3 story cottages there. The front rooms opened directly onto the street. Opposite I believe were Taylors Buildings, a slum now demolished. Later the family moved to Ballard rd and the house still stands. I can see it from Google earth now, looking North the third from the left fronting the harbour. I think Dad went to Stanley rd school, then South rd school and then Poole Grammar.
Later, just before WWII they moved to 104 Blandford rd Hamworthy.
Being very poor, like ALL the other fisher families, Baiter was a source of fish, cockles and crabs. The Cartridges in the lifeboat House included “Pidgee” a wildfowler. He had a copper bottomed Poole canoe with a punt gun on it. There is a photo of them all in the lifeboat house. You might like to have a look at my Flikr page called Cartridge Hustings. It has photos of the family (http://www.flickr.com/people/49978566@N06/). This has a link to the “family historian” Anne Clement who also has many photos & connections to the Bailey family.
One thing is for sure, the Hayes family and ours have had a long connection, but I do not know about the Giles family. There are still Cartridges in the Lifeboat House, eg Jason who is a second cousin I think. I am keen to explore this connection further eg with anecdotes and photos. Anne Clement is certain to be interested too.
Best wishes, Geoff, Woodside, South Australia.
Thank you for your comment. Lots of lovely information there!
I will copy it into my genealogy files as well as leaving it on the post in case any lost relatives of yours come across it.
I’m afraid I don’t really have any anecdotes from the Hayes side, as my mother left Dorset around the age of 20 and died when I was 10. Oh, the things I wish I had asked her…
I do have a couple of scraps from official sources. One of my Richard Hayes ancestors managed to appear in court for not paying back a loan on a couple of occasions. He also appeared at an inquest after finding a dead fisherman under his upturned boat out in the middle of Poole Harbour one day.
I have checked and have the most distant of connections with the Cartridges.
If you look in the 1901 census in Poole, you may see at East Quay Road, Poole St James [RG13/1979/page 7&8] Head: Thomas Cartridge, 63, Fisherman; Wife: Susan Cartridge, 64; Daughter: Lucy Cartridge, 25; Grandson: Frank Dean, 15, Tile Maker at Pottery.
That Frank Dean is the son of Frank Dean of Wareham and Susan Cartridge (married 1884 Poole). The older Frank Dean is the son of Robert Dean and Fanny Maria Giles (born Lytchett Matravers 1835). Fanny’s father was John Giles (born 1802 Sturminster Marshall). And he was, I believe, a brother of my 3-great grandfather Joseph Giles… As I say, a tenuous link!
Thanks again for stopping by
Hello Geoff my name is John McAlister and I came across your article about Conrad Cottage, Poole, which belonged to my grand father Joseph Butler Leon Cartridge.
My mother Shiela still lives in Poole round the corner from Conrad Cottage and she informs me that the cottage was built by her family. My Mums brother Richard Cartridge also emmigrated to Brisbane about 42 years ago.
Please get in touch if you would like to talk more about the family as I can ask my mother any questions regarding the Cartridge family
Best wishes
John
I will happily leave this comment on my blog in the hope Geoff will take you up on your offer.
Best wishes for 2013
Hi there. If you look at the Poole history web site (photos) you will find a couple of photos of Frank Hayes, the family friend of my grandfather and great grandfather Richard Hart Cartridge. Some of the pics were taken from the charabanc ride to Winchester which my dad annotated and you can see that at Flickr Cartridge Hustings.
Cheers and Merry Christmas
Thanks – I see those now. It’s strange when you see pictures of people who are a little bit related, as you don’t know if their looks come from the part of their family you share or the part you don’t. Although I have a cousin with a nose a lot like Frank’s!
I notice there is a “Dicker Hayes” on the same charabanc trip. That may help me work out what relation these Hayes men are to my line.
I must see what else there is on the site.
Merry Christmas and thanks so much for the tip